Spencer Bowman & Sam Britton of The Body Politic

I met Spencer and Sam from The Body Politic for an interview before the sound-check for their show at Joe’s Apartment on Granville Street on November 17th, 2012. We planned on going to a bar, but in typical Granville Street fashion, it was full, and even though it was raining, they wanted us to wait outside. I met them out front and we decided to take a booth across the street at Chronic Tacos and sat down for a chat. I recorded much of it on my Android, but the first few words exchanged were on a loud and busy street, so I’ll give you the gist. Basically, I had asked how the tour they had just come back from had gone, as this Vancouver date was the last stop on the “Kill It With Fire” tour, which previously hit Port Alberni , Victoria, and Nanaimo (their home on Vancouver Island), followed by Calgary, Red Deer, Camrose, Saskatoon, Winnipeg, Regina, and finally, Edmonton. Both Sam and Spencer noted the fun they had, but mostly how cold western Canada can be when you leave the coast.

Sam: “It was minus 18 (Celsius) in some places… It was so bad. I came pretty much just in this. This was my tour outfit, more or less.” (Pointing to a pastel coloured wool sweater, or as the British call them, a jumper)

KN: “Oh my goodness. Are you serious? Did you wear the sweater on stage, too?

Sam: “Yeah, I’d wear it up until I got on stage. The moment I got up there, it was just sweat. It’s gotta come off.”

KN: “Yeah, exactly.”

Sam: “It’s actually really nice to be back. It’s that whole mixed feeling thing, where it’s like I want to do this for the rest of my life obviously, so if I could tour every day for the rest of my life, it would be so, so nice. But I have a girlfriend in Victoria, and it’s really nice getting back and seeing her. I don’t have a job right now, I’m very poor being a musician and all, so it will be nice to be back and make some money. And then spend it all on an album.”

KN: ”Exactly. That’s what the point is, right? You work to be able to get to your dreams.” At this point I mumbled on about a song lyric that Ninjaspy wrote that goes “You work for the money to get away from the work, for the money…” etc. I wasn’t sure they knew it, so I mentioned it in passing. The boys actually corrected me and then the subject of Ninjaspy came up. “I didn’t know you guys knew Ninjaspy!”

Sam: “We’ve played with Ninjaspy a bunch of times. Growing up in Chilliwack, they came there all the time. I’ve been listening to them since I was 13 or 12, being like ‘Oh my god, it’s Ninjaspy!’ My first band there actually opened for them.”

KN: “What was that band called?”

Sam: “It was called Zukka, it was horrible, horrible.” He and Spencer laughed at the thought of their early endeavours.

KN: “What kind of music was it?”

Sam: “Intrumental-post-hardcore.” This resulted in a serious laugh from Spencer and Sam just smiled, very wide. “I play guitar; I went to school for guitar. That’s what I was doing in that band. I went to school and then I found these guys. The guys were like ‘Hey! We heard you sing this one time. You should come try out for the band.’ And I tried out for the band and I thought ‘This is what I want to do for the rest of my life.’ And now I don’t play guitar anymore.”

KN: “What did you like about the vocals so much?”

Sam: “It’s something that’s more challenging to me. Guitar has never been something that I’ve felt challenged at. Like, if I practice enough, there’s always steps. There’s obviously stuff that is more difficult, but I can always work towards it. With vocals, screaming was a big thing. Like, ‘I don’t get this. Why don’t I get this? This is hard.’ The more I did it, the more I was trying to figure out how to do it. Plus, it’s funny making noise all the time.”

KN: “I get it, who doesn’t like to make noise? I like to pretend I can sing. So how did you like tour, Spencer?”

Spencer: “Awesome, yeah, it was super cool. The first time we went out, we went out in July. We only went out as far as Regina.”

KN: “And by first time, you mean first time out supporting your album, ‘All Too Human’?”

Spencer: “Yeah. Up until that point, we had only done smaller tours. Living in the van for that amount of time, a two week tour, and I was like, ‘I’m pretty sure this is what I want to do forever, but we’ll see until I’ve actually done it. Then we got home, and it was like ‘Yeah, obviously! We can do that for the rest of our lives.’ And this time, we had more shows on the tour. It just kinda reinforced that. We just have to keep at it.”

KN: “Did you guys visit the same cities?”

Spencer: “We hit all the same cities, plus a bunch more, actually.”

KN: “Did you find lots of fans there?”

Spencer: “Yeah, a lot of people.”

Sam: “Yeah, Calgary was a big one for that. We played at The New Black center of music there. We had played there once before and we came and there must have been 10 or 12 people right up front knowing the words. It was like ‘How do you know all the words?!’”

Spencer: “Yeah, it was cool because last year, right before we went on tour, we switched our album over to being just a free download instead of a paid thing. So all along that tour, Sam on the mic was just hammering, ‘Download it for free, it doesn’t cost anything. Just please, go home and get it.’ So then, we didn’t have to win over fans with a 45 minute set. We had used our 45 minutes to get them interested and they went home and then we won them over with the album.”

KN: “That’s a great way for bands that are just starting out, since most people download illegally anyways.”

Spencer: “Exactly. And when you go to see a band live, you go home and it’s like, ‘What was that band? They were really cool, but I don’t remember their name.’”

Sam: “They weren’t worth 10 bucks to me at the time.”

Spencer: “Totally. You see a live set and when you hear music for the first time, it’s rarely as exciting as when you know the songs, and can sing along. That’s what we found on this second tour, with ‘All Too Human,’ lots of people singing the words and enjoying the songs a lot more.”

KN: “So what kinds of stuff happened on tour? Anything exciting?”

Spencer: “Well, we had a blast playing with ‘Protest The Hero,’ definitely a highlight.”

Sam: “It was weird. I mean, it was great playing with them, but saw them a few other times that was just out of the blue on the tour. We were going to Winnipeg, and we’re driving and it’s like ‘Let’s pull up to this gas station and get gas… That looks like a tour van. That’s Protest The Hero.’ We pulled up to the side and we’re like, ‘Hey…’”

Spencer: “We’re pulling up and somebody in the van was like, ‘That’s definitely a band. That looks like a band.’ And somebody else was like, ‘Wouldn’t it be hilarious if that was Protest The Hero?’ (At this point, Sam raised his arms proudly.) And then we got a little closer and it was like, ‘One and the same.’”

Sam: “There’s Rody, there’s Arif, that’s awesome!”

KN: “Were you guys fans of their music before that?”

Spencer: “Your ringtone…”

Sam: “Yeah, that was my ringtone for 4 years.”

KN: “Which song?”

Sam: “It was ‘Blindfolds Aside.’ ‘Kezia’ for me is by far their best album.”

KN: “I actually saw an advertisement for your album and one of the similar bands listed was Protest The Hero. Although I don’t know if I agree it it, there’s no one else that really compares.”

Sam: “There’s a whole thing, along with Coheed and Cambria. It’s hard to obviously peg people, as the same as two bands.”

Spencer: “If we were exactly like Protest The Hero, I would be disappointed. Because there’s already a Protest The Hero.”

KN: “Exactly!”

Sam: “Protest The Politic.” This resulted in some laughter.

KN: “Do you guys ever find problems with people trying to peg you into a certain genre of music, because you guys are quite unique?”

Spencer: “I haven’t had anybody putting labels on us, or anything. The only thing I’ve noticed is that it’s sometimes hard to know how we’re going to fit on a bill. It always seems to be either, and I’ve heard the guys from Protest actually, talk about the same problem, that they’re always either super heavy on the bill and everybody’s plugging their ears, or they feel like the total wusses because everybody else on the bill is a metal powerhouse, screaming the whole time. There have only been a few bands where it’s been a really good fit. Usually we feel like the black sheep on a bill.”

KN: “Do you find that it’s a good way of motivating you to win over those people who would have never listened to you otherwise?”

Spencer: “I think so. I think it makes us stand out a little bit.”

Sam: “Yeah, and I also think it makes it a bit easier. There are times when being the black sheep is a bad thing, but in a way, we get a lot of fans who are like ‘I would never have listened to metal. And I do not like metal in the slightest, but then I heard you guys.’ And hey, that’s pretty awesome. That’s awesome to hear from people who enjoy it and we can kind of swing over to the metal side, and kind of, slowly make them more and more metal.”

Spencer: “There was a lady in Camrose on this tour and she was like, ‘I literally listen to nothing but reggae. Night and day, only reggae. I only came because my son was playing-‘”

Sam: “She’s also 55.”

Spencer: “’-You guys are the coolest band ever, and I was super into it. And that’s saying a lot because I only listen to reggae, every day.’”

Sam: “She also let us crash at her place, and she had Sublime playing. On just full blast, we were like, ‘yes!’” This was followed by a giggle.

KN: “That’s amazing! The cool thing with that is that, if you think back, there’s definitely a band in your history that got you into metal. Imagine being that for other people. That’s pretty profound.”

Spencer: “Like Protest The Hero.”

They both laughed amongst themselves before I asked if they were really that one band that changed everything for them.

Spencer: “It was for me.”

Sam: “Yeah, my guitar teacher was like, ‘Dude, metal! Listen to Pantera, Slayer, go ahead, listen to this.’ And I’d be like, ‘I hate this.’ And then he’s like, ‘I know this band, they’re my friends, listen to them.’ And I listened and I liked this type of music. I like his singing, I like the mixture, and then I’ve slowly now gotten into a whole bunch of deathcore and stuff. It has obviously slowly manipulated me and pushed me into that.”

Spencer: “Protest is good at easing you into metal. Even screaming vocals were a thing that when I was younger, I wasn’t into screaming. But I started listening to Alexisonfire and Protest The Hero around the same time, and they were the first bands where I was like, ‘Yeah, I can get down with the harsh vocals.’ And now there’s bands that I listen to where they are exclusively screaming.”

KN: “There’s something special about finding that band that makes you understand the rest of that style of music. I used to hate Alexisonfire with a passion, partially because they were played on Much Music so much and they got so cocky about it, but they’re broken up now…”

Spencer: “Yeah, and they’re doing what, 4 Toronto shows?”

KN: “Exactly. But hometown shows, why not? That’s where you’ve got your biggest fan base, and all your friends and family. But after I got into metal, and I really started enjoying the screaming of Alexisonfire, mixed with Dallas’ vocals, because it’s such a drastic change. I find that you guys have a lot of vocal range as well. Do you spend a lot of time working on your vocals?”

Sam: “A lot of time. It’s about an hour and half or so a day. Maybe 2 hours, depending. I obviously take breaks here and there, but I obviously didn’t lose my voice on tour, so that’s enough vocal work that I can scream 6 or 7 days in a row and not ever feel any vocal fatigue. I obviously take some tea in the morning when I wake up, no matter what. You always tend to throw down a little bit too hard during shows-”

Spencer: “-which I think is true for every instrument.”

Sam: “Every instrument for sure. It’s impossible not to.”

Spencer: “Some days on tour, it’s like you wake up and I go to unclench my hand and it’s like, ‘Ahhh…’” (At this point, he very slowly and decisively uncurled his fingers from a fist.)

KN: “Does that happen often after really intense shows or is there a specific time in the tour where you’re just tired?”

Spencer: “Yeah, I think it’s the more intense the show is, the more into it the crowd is, the more adrenaline gets going, for me at least. And then the harder I play. So I’m just bashing and then usually it’s the next day after the shows where I’m like ‘Ahhh…’”

KN: “What did I do to myself?”

Spencer: “Haha yeah. That’s the cool thing on both of these tours that we’ve done. We’ve done so many shows in a row, that it’s like, after the first couple, you get that out of your system a bit. On this tour, once we were a third of the way into it, even if it was a really intense show, and the adrenaline was really going, it was easier to control and still do a good job of the parts and everything, even though it was intense and just keeping it under control and delivering the performance.

KN: “I guess this has become your job, so you’ve learned how to deal with it after a while.”

Spencer: “Yeah, it’s different if you go a month or two without playing a show. When you get on stage it’s like (battle cry)!”

KN: “Just need to destroy that kit, huh?”

Spencer: “Exactly, haha.”

Sam: “I always find that if I’m doing a one-off show, like it’s a month and I do a show, I’ll be outside my head. With singing, it’s obviously a huge mental game, it’s playing mental chess with yourself, trying to trick yourself into doing things that are sometimes really hard. If I’m not doing a show for a long time, I’ll be outside my head, I’ll be thinking about the crowd, what’s going on, where I’m moving, blah, blah. And as things slowly carry on, you do 6 or 7 shows, and after that point, I’m inside my head, but my body is doing everything else naturally. I can focus on what I’m singing really easily and not have to lose my place.”

KN: “Are you proud to be from BC and the island when you travel around?”

Spencer: “Yeah, definitely. Every single person that we told that we’re from Vancouver Island, they were like ‘Oh! It’s so nice there. You’re so lucky.’ And yeah, we really are. And it’s really cool to see the rest of the country. Before we started touring, I hadn’t been past Vancouver and Prince George, once. Just seeing the prairies and the sunsets out there and stuff… We spent so much time just driving because the cities are so far apart, but I don’t even mind that because just looking out the van windows, it goes on forever. It’s so beautiful.

KN: “Is there anything that you remember that was really profound / beautiful?”

Spencer: “There was one picture that I got of a sunset that was just the most beautiful thing.”

KN: “Where were you?”

Spencer: “That on our way back in Saskatchewan, from Winnipeg to Regina.”

KN: “Are you going print that and stick on your wall?”

Spencer: “Probably.”

Sam: “He’ll put it above his bed so that every day, he can wake up with the gorgeous scenery.”

KN: “That would be awesome. Good memories of tour. I guess you, Spencer, aren’t a huge traveller, aside from tour. How about you, Sam?”

Sam: “I’ve been to Quebec and Toronto, and I’ve been into Alberta. I mean I haven’t done much of Saskatchewan or Manitoba, really. That was like, whoa. Two new provinces I’ve never been to. I’ve gone on family trips and stuff. It’s never really been travelling as my thing. As soon as I finished high school I went to jazz school and then I did this band. It’s been pretty docile when it comes to travelling.”

At this point, I was jotting some thoughts down and on the recording you hear a quiet bursting sound. The two men before me started to giggle and out of curiosity, I asked what was funny. Sam responded with “I just got coke in my hair,” as he was sipping on a soda and the three of us giggled even louder.

Spencer: “Sleep deprived. But the coolest thing about touring is that we’re only on stage for 25-45 minutes a day, depending on the show, so there’s a lot of other hours in the day so seeing all the sights and everything on the drives… It’s not just the shows I guess is what I’m getting at. It’s the whole touring the whole lifestyle is just exactly what we want to do.”

KN: “Do you guys have any bands you’re really keeping your eyes on?”

Sam: “From around the area, Atlas Collapes. Definitely not heavy by any means, but they’re hard rock, I guess. But the vocals are so cool. The harmonies, the way they write; everything. It’s a three-piece and they sound like an 8-piece. They are just really, really good at what they do.”

KN: “Awesome. And they are from Nanaimo?”

Spencer: “Yep. And if we are going to start naming names, I have to say that there are so many hard working bands from this area. I mean, we can’t even… There’s so many promising ones. But another one for me, I think, is Take The Earth Beneath Us, from Vancouver. Those guys are great, but the thing that impresses me about them is their work ethic. I can really relate to how their singer Cody Murado, who seems to be the driving force. I feel like he really takes care of the business stuff and they work super, super hard.”

KN: “Who takes care of the business in your band?”

Spencer: “That’d be me.”

Sam: “He books the tours, he gets all the merchandise, works the pretty thing (laughs). No, I mean everyone pitches in and helps as much as we can, but stuff like tours, he’s incredibly good at it and incredibly personable, so it’s really easy for him to get these gigs. And he’s just a hardworking dude, so it’s awesome to have him. ”

Spencer: “And I think it just makes sense. It seems to be in every band, there’s one person who kind of takes the reigns a little bit, because if you don’t have that one person, you have everybody trying to do everything. It’s more difficult to get something done, especially making contacts. You remember the person, and if they’re one of four people to remember, it just doesn’t create a strong bond. When I was booking this tour, there were people that I knew personally from the last tour. It wasn’t like, ‘Can we book The Body Politic?’ it was like, ‘Hey, Ryan, how’s it going? It’s Spencer.’ And knowing them on a personal level, so many of them end up going the extra mile for us, and making sure that we get paid a decent amount, and that we have a place to stay.”

Sam: “Regina was probably the biggest one. Over there, it was a girl named Brandy Exner, and her company is called Brand-X. She does all the shows out there in Regina. Super, super nice, first of all, and we get there and we’re like, ‘Hey, do you have a place we could possibly crash? We have been touring across and we have nowhere to stay in Regina. Do you know anybody that can put us up?’ So she’s like, ‘Yeah, I’ll call my parents and I’ll see what I can do.’ ‘Awesome, thank you so much.’ And later that night, she’s like, ‘I have a surprise.’ So we wait until the end of the night and then she’s like, ‘Look, we couldn’t get any of my friends, so I’ve rented you a hotel.

Spencer: “She booked us a $300 hotel room.”

Sam: “But still, it wasn’t like, oh we can’t pay for tonight. She was still so adamant with the guarantee.”

Spencer: “And then paid us twice our guarantee as well.”

Sam: “With promoters like that, it doesn’t matter when or where. If they ever ask us to be on some sort of bill, I would go a thousand extra miles to go and help those people out. It’s so nice to have people to deal with like that on a tour.”

Spencer: “I don’t think I’ve ever felt as grateful as I did on this tour. Just everywhere we went, people were so good to us. We couldn’t have done any of this without them.”

Sam: “We only slept in the van once, in that two weeks.”

Spencer: “We ran out of gas in Lake Louise on the way to Calgary at, like, 2 in the morning. And we were like, ‘Alright, I guess we’re staying here tonight.’”

Sam: “We had to wait, because it was closed, so we were waiting, at getting food after the gas station closed and we’re like, ‘We’ll be fine,’ and we got halfway up the mountain and there’s no where with gas that is open right now.”

Spencer: “And our tour van has a digital read-out of how many km’s we had until we run out of gas, and we could hear it blinking and like, dinging. ‘You have 33kms. You have 29kms.’ Every time, it was like ‘Ugh.’”

KN: “It was saying it out-loud?”

Sam: “No, was a big digital read, though.”

KN: “That would have been so horrible. Hearing it, every km. Someone probably said it, though. ‘Oh look, only 27 now…’”

Spencer: “Definitely,” which was drowned out by giggle.

Sam: “It gets the 5 kms and all of a sudden, it just says ‘God help you.’” I burst out laughing harder than anyone.

KN: “That would be so funny. Somebody needs to make a tour van that says that. So do you guys follow politics at all?”

Spencer: “For me, not as much as I should.”

KN: “What makes you say should?”

Spencer: “Because I think it’s important to be involved in that kind of thing.”

Sam: “We’re the Body Politic!”

KN: “It is in your name.”

Spencer: “I mean your vote is your one little control over that stuff. If you’re not educated, then your vote doesn’t mean as much. And I’m not educated.”

KN: “That fact that you realize it is more than most. You’re trying, man. I assume you paid attention to the recent US election. Are relieved as much as everyone else here?”

Spencer: “Oh, I think so.”

Sam: “Completely. I don’t want another Bush Jr. It’s almost unfair to have a president in there during a large enough depression. You can’t really gain any foothold. He’s making all these amends, trying be like, ‘I’m trying to help, I’m trying to help.’ But everyone’s like, ‘Well, he’s not doing anything.’ Well, no. He’s trying to reverse what’s already been done. Giving him another 4 years still might not be enough, but it’s enough to give him a second opportunity to actually, maybe prove to people.”

Spencer: “There’s a website, actually (called http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/) where you go to the site, and just on the page, it’s just one page, and it’ll be some fact of something amazingly positive that Obama has done. Then, you just press refresh and then it gives you another random one. You just keep refreshing and me and out front-of-house sound guy that we take on tour, we spent 20 minutes just hitting refresh, and we didn’t see the same fact twice. It was all this amazing stuff that you don’t really hear about while it’s happening.”

KN: “Did you guys hear about that Russian girl band that got jailed for protesting their president?” They both stared at me blankly, and in shock, I explained what had happened. “So they’re called Pussy Riot.” Instant giggles from both. “Yes, a punk band with a bunch of girls named Pussy Riot. They’re from Russia and Putin got re-elected illegally, although it was more an omission of law than anything. A lot of people in Russia weren’t happy about it, so they performed a sort of protest in a cathedral, titled “Punk Prayer – Mother of God, Chase Putin Away!” and recorded it, which ended up on the internet. Three of them were then put in jail for… I want to say ‘tom foolery’ but it wasn’t. Something equally as silly, actual charge laid against them was hooliganism.”

Sam: “I thought tom foolery was ridiculous enough, but hooliganism.”

KN: “Yeah, one of them is out now after serving 7 months. The other two are still in jail, serving out the rest of a two year sentence. This is what happens in the world when you don’t pay attention.”

Spencer: “That’s heavy.”

Sam: “I feel like I should go to Russia, and get put in jail for hooliganism, just so that I can have ‘hooliganism’ written on it.”

Spencer: “If I ever get charged for anything, I want it to be hooliganism.”

Sam: “I can see an employer saying, ‘So I see that you were a hooligan once.’ ‘Yes, yes I was.’”

Spencer: “’It was a dark time in my life… I’ve moved past it.’”

KN: “It’s too silly to even take seriously. So do you guys have any specific places in Nanaimo that you like to eat?”

Spencer: “Yeah! For me, Pirate Chips.”

Sam: “Yes, they deep fry anything.”

Spencer: “They have the best poutine I’ve ever had.”

Sam: “For me, Huang Lan, which is Vietnamese, and Estera’s which is Greek.”

KN: “So are you guys not big drinkers? You’ve both got cokes. Is it because you’re playing a show tonight?”

Spencer: “We never drink or smoke anything before the shows.”

Sam: “Me and Spencer are probably the cleanest out of the band when it comes to that.”

Spencer: “We hold down the fort.”

Sam: “Now it’s going to sound like we all drink a lot, but normally, I don’t drink. I lose my voice if I drink, and I don’t smoke because I lose my voice when I smoke. I’m in a cycle when I’m singing all the time, so I can’t do it. Matt drinks a little bit, but everyone drinks a tiny bit. We’ll go out on a Saturday night, once a month for a party. But none of us in the band are ever like, ‘Yeah, let’s get drunk!’”

Spencer: “Especially on nights when we’re playing. I mean, there’s lots of bands that get messed up before shows, but I think that you’re not giving those people their money’s worth, by not delivering your best performance.”

Sam: “There’s no room to be sloppy in the kind of music we play. One wrong note, it’s a big deal in something like this because you could be miles behind.”

Spencer: “We have pretty high standards for our live performance. If one little thing goes wrong, after the set, it’s like, ‘OK, why did that happen? What can we do to fix that? How are we going to make that not happen next time?”

KN: “Anything you guys would like to plug, aside from All Too Human?” Free download found here: http://thebodypolitic.bandcamp.com/

Spencer: “We’re working on our new EP.”

Sam: “Which has no name yet. The new EP BP.”

Spencer: “We’re in the writing/pre-production stages, so it’s pretty new. We’re hoping to track it probably in the winter or spring, and have it released by the end of the summer or fall of 2013.”

Sam: “If, you know, the world doesn’t end by Christmas. Then yes, 2013.”

KN: “If that happens, we’re all fucked. Have you decided where you want to record it?”

Spencer: “Yes. We are actually so ridiculous blessed. The guy who recorded ‘All Too Human,’ named Wilson Pasco, and his company is called Sound by Wilson Pasco. He does live sound, as well as he runs a studio in Nanaimo and that’s where we recorded ‘All Too Human’ and engineered it, mixed it, and we had it mastered in Vancouver by Chris Potter. After the album was done, Wilson started touring with us and now he’s basically the 7th member of the band and he does our sound at every show that we go to. So whatever the sound situation is, because you never know what it’s going to be like. Sometimes it’s a guy who just turns on some mic’s and walks away.”

KN: “Sometimes it is that bad.”

Sam: “Far more often that it should.”

Spencer: “But we’re super lucky to have Wilson touring with us. He does our sound at every show and he’ll be the guy recording our next album.”

KN: “What did you say his studio is called?”

Spencer: “The Soundbox Studios and his company is called Sound by Wilson Pasco’s.”

Sam: “He’s pretty much all of our best friend.”

Spencer: “Yeah, we’re all pretty close.”

KN: “Is this after you met when he began doing your sound?”

Spencer: “I was playing in a side project with him before we did the album, and we go to be, pretty much best buds and he was the guy for the album, for sure. It was funny, because he was actually just about to move to Toronto, like, for good. I was like, ‘Dude, can we please just do this album. I really want you to be the guy to do it, so can we just do this album before you take off?’ and he was like, ‘Okay, but I have to take off by this date, in April, but things kept taking longer and he’s like ‘I’ll push it back, but I have to be gone by this time.’ And it just kept getting pushed back and pushed back and he was like, ‘You know what? Screw it man. I’m not going to Toronto, I just want to keep working with you guys. This is awesome.’”

Sam: “It’s good from both aspects because he’s a little bit older than all of us, so he’s a little more mature. And it’s great to have someone who knows about things on tour.”

Spencer: “When we need to jump the van or something, he’s done it before.”

Sam: “I can do that. I do I have one special skill, and that’s jumping vans.”

Spencer: “None of us are like, handy, so it’s good to have him around.”

Sam: “And he also gets to spread the word around, get his name out there, so it’s like a double thing. Having him do our sound in place, but he goes around and every single tech we’ve been with, or even somebody watching him is like, ‘That dude knows how to do sound.’ And he always stays in contact with people everywhere.”

Spencer: “And it’s also feels good for us to know that when we go into a venue, no matter what the situation is, our set is going to sound really good because we’ve got him.”

KN: “It’s the most important part!”

Sam: “Yeah, for sure.

KN: “Alright, well I wish you guys a fantastic show and I’ll see you there!”

They played a tight set at Joe’s Apartment later that evening. Review and photos of that show are upcoming, so keep your eyes peeled.

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